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		<title>Comment on Wells: The War of the Worlds by Cassandra Jade</title>
		<link>http://cburrell.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/wells-the-war-of-the-worlds/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra Jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with opting for the ironic ending is that this story, which is brilliantly told and builds tension in an extremely effective manner, ends on an anti-climatic note.  Certainly it achieves the purpose of making you think and wonder about the point of all technology, and whether civilsation has really advanced, and the mighty will fall, and probably a million other themes that can be read into it.  It is a brilliant science fiction book and will remain a classic, but it isn&#039;t one that I like to reread very often because I&#039;m always slightly let down by the ending.  
Thanks for sharing a great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with opting for the ironic ending is that this story, which is brilliantly told and builds tension in an extremely effective manner, ends on an anti-climatic note.  Certainly it achieves the purpose of making you think and wonder about the point of all technology, and whether civilsation has really advanced, and the mighty will fall, and probably a million other themes that can be read into it.  It is a brilliant science fiction book and will remain a classic, but it isn&#8217;t one that I like to reread very often because I&#8217;m always slightly let down by the ending.<br />
Thanks for sharing a great post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by cburrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cburrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, thank you for that poem, Nick.  I had not seen it before either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, thank you for that poem, Nick.  I had not seen it before either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by Tracy S. Altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy S. Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, Nick--I&#039;ve read a lot of Chesterton&#039;s poems, but I&#039;d never seen that one before.  Which makes me wonder whether Percy had; certainly there&#039;s a skepticism about &quot;philanthropic&quot; uses of science in all of his work, and it grows more pointed with time--culminating in The Thanatos Syndrome, in which the priest says, &quot;Tenderness always leads to the gas chamber.&quot;  I wonder whether Chesterton&#039;s poem might have prompted Percy to make the connection bewteen Hunt&#039;s poem and that skepticism.  But I suppose that&#039;s pretty speculative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Nick&#8211;I&#8217;ve read a lot of Chesterton&#8217;s poems, but I&#8217;d never seen that one before.  Which makes me wonder whether Percy had; certainly there&#8217;s a skepticism about &#8220;philanthropic&#8221; uses of science in all of his work, and it grows more pointed with time&#8211;culminating in The Thanatos Syndrome, in which the priest says, &#8220;Tenderness always leads to the gas chamber.&#8221;  I wonder whether Chesterton&#8217;s poem might have prompted Percy to make the connection bewteen Hunt&#8217;s poem and that skepticism.  But I suppose that&#8217;s pretty speculative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by Nick Milne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Milne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chesterton.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another voice&lt;/a&gt; begs to be heard on the subject of Mr. Ben Adhem...

THE PHILANTHROPIST
(With Apologies to a Beautiful Poem)
(C. 1918-21)

Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe decrease
By cautious birth-control and die in peace)
Mellow with learning lightly took the word
That marked him not with them that love the Lord,
And told the angel of the book and pen
&quot;Write me as one that loves his fellow-men:
For them alone I labour; to reclaim
The ragged roaming Bedouin and to tame
To ordered service; to uproot their vine
Who mock the Prophet, being mad with wine;
Let daylight through their tents and through their lives
Number their camels, even count their wives;
Plot out the desert into streets and squares,
And count it a more fruitful work than theirs
Who lift a vain and visionary love
To your vague Allah in the skies above.&quot;

Gently replied the angel of the pen:
&quot;Labour in peace and love your fellow men:
And love not God, since men alone are dear,
Only fear God; for you have cause to fear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.chesterton.org/" rel="nofollow">Another voice</a> begs to be heard on the subject of Mr. Ben Adhem&#8230;</p>
<p>THE PHILANTHROPIST<br />
(With Apologies to a Beautiful Poem)<br />
(C. 1918-21)</p>
<p>Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe decrease<br />
By cautious birth-control and die in peace)<br />
Mellow with learning lightly took the word<br />
That marked him not with them that love the Lord,<br />
And told the angel of the book and pen<br />
&#8220;Write me as one that loves his fellow-men:<br />
For them alone I labour; to reclaim<br />
The ragged roaming Bedouin and to tame<br />
To ordered service; to uproot their vine<br />
Who mock the Prophet, being mad with wine;<br />
Let daylight through their tents and through their lives<br />
Number their camels, even count their wives;<br />
Plot out the desert into streets and squares,<br />
And count it a more fruitful work than theirs<br />
Who lift a vain and visionary love<br />
To your vague Allah in the skies above.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gently replied the angel of the pen:<br />
&#8220;Labour in peace and love your fellow men:<br />
And love not God, since men alone are dear,<br />
Only fear God; for you have cause to fear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by Tracy S. Altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy S. Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re in for a treat when you do get to The Last Gentleman.  It&#039;s my favorite Percy novel so far, although I haven&#039;t yet read Love In the Ruins, so there&#039;s always some chance of an upset.  (The Second Coming is the sequel to The Last Gentleman, so if you haven&#039;t yet read that one, I recommend reading TLG first.)

And the Inigo Montoya quote is spot-on.  I had not applied it that way before.  But no doubt I will from now on . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re in for a treat when you do get to The Last Gentleman.  It&#8217;s my favorite Percy novel so far, although I haven&#8217;t yet read Love In the Ruins, so there&#8217;s always some chance of an upset.  (The Second Coming is the sequel to The Last Gentleman, so if you haven&#8217;t yet read that one, I recommend reading TLG first.)</p>
<p>And the Inigo Montoya quote is spot-on.  I had not applied it that way before.  But no doubt I will from now on . . .</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by cburrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cburrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to choose between Esolen and Hart, I would probably choose Hart.  They are not the same book, though.  Hart&#039;s focus is very much on antiquity and the transition to Christianity, with constant reference to late modernity.  Esolen takes a more systematic approach, giving each period its due, and with a special emphasis on the history of the US (a special interest of his publisher, I take it).  Esolen&#039;s is also the more accessible of the two, with friendly side-bars, highlighted boxes, and that sort of thing.

Thanks for the Percy quotation!  Goodness, that man could write.  You are ahead of me on this front; I&#039;m still working through his novels for the first time, and have yet to reach &lt;i&gt;The Last Gentlemen&lt;/i&gt; (I&#039;m not going in order).  It&#039;s a wonder the folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.korrektiv.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Korrektiv&lt;/a&gt; let me in, given my inadequate credentials, but maybe they don&#039;t know.

You make a good point that many of these concepts -- dignity, conscience, virtue, and the good itself -- are related to deeper philosophical and religious ideas.  I am told that it used to be said, during the Cold War, that &quot;Peace is a Communist plot&quot;, because it seemed that those who talked a lot about peace tended to be Communists. One sometimes gets a similar feeling today when it comes to &quot;human rights&quot; and &quot;dignity&quot;.  I feel like Inigo Montoya in &lt;i&gt;The Princess Bride&lt;/i&gt;: &quot;I do not think that word means what you think it means.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to choose between Esolen and Hart, I would probably choose Hart.  They are not the same book, though.  Hart&#8217;s focus is very much on antiquity and the transition to Christianity, with constant reference to late modernity.  Esolen takes a more systematic approach, giving each period its due, and with a special emphasis on the history of the US (a special interest of his publisher, I take it).  Esolen&#8217;s is also the more accessible of the two, with friendly side-bars, highlighted boxes, and that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Thanks for the Percy quotation!  Goodness, that man could write.  You are ahead of me on this front; I&#8217;m still working through his novels for the first time, and have yet to reach <i>The Last Gentlemen</i> (I&#8217;m not going in order).  It&#8217;s a wonder the folks at <a href="http://www.korrektiv.org" rel="nofollow">Korrektiv</a> let me in, given my inadequate credentials, but maybe they don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>You make a good point that many of these concepts &#8212; dignity, conscience, virtue, and the good itself &#8212; are related to deeper philosophical and religious ideas.  I am told that it used to be said, during the Cold War, that &#8220;Peace is a Communist plot&#8221;, because it seemed that those who talked a lot about peace tended to be Communists. One sometimes gets a similar feeling today when it comes to &#8220;human rights&#8221; and &#8220;dignity&#8221;.  I feel like Inigo Montoya in <i>The Princess Bride</i>: &#8220;I do not think that word means what you think it means.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the contrary by Tracy S. Altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy S. Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another book to add to my &quot;to-read&quot; list!  And the list was already impossibly long.  Still, that&#039;s a good problem to have.  --Esolen&#039;s book sounds a lot like David Bentley Hart&#039;s most recent, though, so maybe I could economize by reading only one.  (But which?  Sounds like a tough choice.)

I&#039;ve been re-reading Walker Percy&#039;s novels lately, and your synopsis of Esolen&#039;s &quot;villains and heroes&quot; of Westen culture reminded me of the exchange between Will Barrett and Sutter Vaught (one of my favorite characters ever) when they first meet in The Last Gentleman.  Alluding to the poem &quot;Abou Ben Adhem&quot; by James Leigh Hunt, Sutter says:

&quot;There it is . . . the entire melancholy procession of disasters. First God; then a man who is extremely pleased with himself for serving man for man&#039;s sake and leaving God out of it; then in the end God himself turned into a capricious sentimental Jean Hersholt or perhaps Judge Lee Cobb who is at first outraged by Abou&#039;s effrontery and then thinks better of it: by heaven, says he, here is a stout fellow when you come to think of it to serve his fellow man with no thanks to me, and so God swallows his pride and packs off the angel to give Abou the good news--the new gospel. Do you know who did the West in? . . . It wasn&#039;t Marx or immorality or the Communists or the atheists or any of those fellows. It was Leigh Hunt.&quot;

Even if Leigh Hunt can be more-or-less identified with Rousseau, I gather Esolen would disagree with pegging it ALL on Leigh Hunt.  But I also gather that Esolen and Sutter would agree that virtue, conscience, community, human dignity, and responsibility are one thing when considered in the light of the Judeo-Christian revelation, and quite another when we &quot;leave God out of it.&quot;  (Sutter&#039;s label for what they become in the latter case is &quot;meretricious [excrement].&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another book to add to my &#8220;to-read&#8221; list!  And the list was already impossibly long.  Still, that&#8217;s a good problem to have.  &#8211;Esolen&#8217;s book sounds a lot like David Bentley Hart&#8217;s most recent, though, so maybe I could economize by reading only one.  (But which?  Sounds like a tough choice.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been re-reading Walker Percy&#8217;s novels lately, and your synopsis of Esolen&#8217;s &#8220;villains and heroes&#8221; of Westen culture reminded me of the exchange between Will Barrett and Sutter Vaught (one of my favorite characters ever) when they first meet in The Last Gentleman.  Alluding to the poem &#8220;Abou Ben Adhem&#8221; by James Leigh Hunt, Sutter says:</p>
<p>&#8220;There it is . . . the entire melancholy procession of disasters. First God; then a man who is extremely pleased with himself for serving man for man&#8217;s sake and leaving God out of it; then in the end God himself turned into a capricious sentimental Jean Hersholt or perhaps Judge Lee Cobb who is at first outraged by Abou&#8217;s effrontery and then thinks better of it: by heaven, says he, here is a stout fellow when you come to think of it to serve his fellow man with no thanks to me, and so God swallows his pride and packs off the angel to give Abou the good news&#8211;the new gospel. Do you know who did the West in? . . . It wasn&#8217;t Marx or immorality or the Communists or the atheists or any of those fellows. It was Leigh Hunt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even if Leigh Hunt can be more-or-less identified with Rousseau, I gather Esolen would disagree with pegging it ALL on Leigh Hunt.  But I also gather that Esolen and Sutter would agree that virtue, conscience, community, human dignity, and responsibility are one thing when considered in the light of the Judeo-Christian revelation, and quite another when we &#8220;leave God out of it.&#8221;  (Sutter&#8217;s label for what they become in the latter case is &#8220;meretricious [excrement].&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Remember, remember, the fifth of November by cburrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cburrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I was trying to be ironic.  Today is the anniversary of the discovery of the Gunpowder Plot.  I had a pretty interesting image from the period that related to the conflict between Catholics and Protestants.  I thought I would post it.  No endorsement of the Plot is intended. (And no endorsement of those soldiers either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I was trying to be ironic.  Today is the anniversary of the discovery of the Gunpowder Plot.  I had a pretty interesting image from the period that related to the conflict between Catholics and Protestants.  I thought I would post it.  No endorsement of the Plot is intended. (And no endorsement of those soldiers either.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Remember, remember, the fifth of November by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This juxtaposition dies not really rise to the level of irony. I guess you just would like to point out that it wasn&#039;t only Catholics who engaged in violence.

Christina, your comment is particularly ironic, however, because if you condone Guy&#039;s approach (as it sounds like you do) you must also condone the conduct of the soldiers above. Were you joking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This juxtaposition dies not really rise to the level of irony. I guess you just would like to point out that it wasn&#8217;t only Catholics who engaged in violence.</p>
<p>Christina, your comment is particularly ironic, however, because if you condone Guy&#8217;s approach (as it sounds like you do) you must also condone the conduct of the soldiers above. Were you joking?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Remember, remember, the fifth of November by Christina A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, My much more knowledgeable husband just informed me of what is going on here and thinks that you are being ironic. I think that I&#039;m on your side.

Guy sounds like my kinda guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, My much more knowledgeable husband just informed me of what is going on here and thinks that you are being ironic. I think that I&#8217;m on your side.</p>
<p>Guy sounds like my kinda guy.</p>
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